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		<title>Seminar examining Kurdish and Turkish youth in London: Suicide Rates and Poor Schooling</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seminar examining Kurdish and Turkish youth in London: Organised by the Haringey-based Elbistan Community Centre (El-Com), the panel was attended by sociologists İpek Demir, from Leicester University, and Ümit Çetin, from the University of Westminster. The panel debated “Identity, culture shock and their reflections on Kurdish Alevi youths”. Mr Çetin, who spoke first in the talk that... <div class="clear"></div><a href="https://www.el-com.org.uk/seminar-examining-kurdish-and-turkish-youth-in-london.html" class="excerpt-read-more">Read More</a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin: 0cm; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 15.0pt; background: white; vertical-align: baseline;">Seminar examining Kurdish and Turkish youth in London:</p>
<div id="attachment_3209" style="width: 962px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/3.jpg"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3209" class="size-full wp-image-3209" src="https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/3.jpg" alt="A SEMINAR to discuss rising suicide rates among young males in Britain" width="952" height="714" srcset="https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/3.jpg 952w, https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/3-300x225.jpg 300w, https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/3-600x450.jpg 600w, https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/3-400x300.jpg 400w" sizes="(max-width: 952px) 100vw, 952px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-3209" class="wp-caption-text">A SEMINAR to discuss rising suicide rates among young males in Britain</p></div>
<p style="margin: 0cm; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 15.0pt; background: white; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #5e6066;">Organised by the Haringey-based<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><strong><a title="Elbistan" href="http://el-com.org/en/identity-culture-and-cultural-shock-their-impact-on-our-kurdish-alevi-youths.html"><span style="color: #545454; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">Elbistan</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Community Centre</strong> (</span><a title="El-Com" href="http://el-com.org/en/identity-culture-and-cultural-shock-their-impact-on-our-kurdish-alevi-youths.html"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #545454; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">El-Com</span></a><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #5e6066;">), the panel was attended by sociologists İpek Demir, from Leicester University, and Ümit Çetin, from the University of Westminster. The panel debated “Identity, culture shock and their reflections on Kurdish Alevi youths”.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 15.0pt; background: white; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #5e6066;">Mr Çetin, who spoke first in the talk that was chaired by<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a title="El-Com" href="http://el-com.org/en/identity-culture-and-cultural-shock-their-impact-on-our-kurdish-alevi-youths.html"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #545454; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">El-Com</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #5e6066;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #5e6066;">director Aydın Doğan, began by relaying data on the number of suicidal youths from Turkey living in London. He noted that those who committed suicide were entirely male and that the triggers were such issues as a clash of generations, the absence of a cultural identity and the difficulties with adapting to a different culture.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 15.0pt; background: white; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #5e6066;">He said there was an ideological lifestyle driven by the media based on wealth and becoming rich and that this was effective in<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a title="Turkish" href="http://el-com.org/en/identity-culture-and-cultural-shock-their-impact-on-our-kurdish-alevi-youths.html"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #545454; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">Turkish</span></a><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #5e6066;">-speaking communities as much as in others. He said that any young people would turn to gangs and criminal groups in an attempt to get rich quick.</span></p>
<p style="line-height: 15.0pt; background: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin: 0cm 0cm 15.0pt 0cm;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: #5e6066;">Mr Çetin said he had spoken to many families who had lost a son to suicide and that all had exhibited a lack of communication, and that this also applied in their school lives.</span></p>
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<div id="attachment_3208" style="width: 962px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2.jpg"><img decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3208" class="size-full wp-image-3208" src="https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2.jpg" alt="A SEMINAR to discuss rising suicide rates among young males in Britain" width="952" height="714" srcset="https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2.jpg 952w, https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2-300x225.jpg 300w, https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2-600x450.jpg 600w, https://www.el-com.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2-400x300.jpg 400w" sizes="(max-width: 952px) 100vw, 952px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-3208" class="wp-caption-text">Dr İpek Demir underlined that the problem of integration of immigrants in London could not<br />only be laid at the door of immigrants. The host community also needed to own up to the<br />inequalities and problems that exist in the UK. Her talk focused on educational inequalities in<br />Britain. She underlined how the children of immigrants, including those who were Kurds and<br />Turks from Turkey, suffered inequalities due to class and ethnic ‘penalties’. Highlighting the<br />way in which the British education system now works like a ‘market’ she said: “Markets are<br />based on choice and are geared up to create winners and losers. This is what our education<br />in Britain also does: it creates winners and losers. The result of education becoming centred<br />on choice and the market is that the children of immigrants (and other disadvantaged groups<br />such as the white and ethnic minority poor) who are themselves not educated, who know less<br />about how education in Britain works, and who are not able to play this market effectively are<br />destined to lose out”.<br />She continued: “In the UK we have a parentocratic rather than a meritocratic education<br />system and this works against the children of immigrants whose parents lack the ‘right’ and<br />‘desirable’ type of cultural and social capital which would help their children be successful.<br />Those parents who have a university degree, who are well off, educated and with the ‘right’<br />sort of cultural and social capital, on the other hand, are able to manoeuvre the school system<br />to get their children into successful schools, are able to be demanding of schools in the ‘right<br />way’ if teaching quality is poor, more likely to be school governors, more able to help with<br />homework, more able and willing to get extra tuition, more able to understand what school<br />requirements and expectations are like and so on. The language, culture and expectations of<br />the school are more likely to align with those at home. It is not money, but other types of<br />capital, the existence of the right sort of ‘cultural and social capital’ which are important here.”<br />Demir also highlighted that money of course still mattered too and that wealthier parents are<br />able to pay for education by sending to their children to fee paying schools or buy housesto<br />live near a good school. Aspirational immigrants who are rich and/or who are educated are<br />also able to play the educational market well.<br />Dr Demir stressed that: “We have an expectation, a hope that education will help reduce<br />social inequalities, and that the children from all backgrounds have the same chance to be<br />successful in education and later in life. This belief goes against the facts of current Britain as<br />shown by sociological and educational research. Yes, the children of some who are from<br />disadvantaged backgrounds will do well. But they are an exception. In fact, the question we<br />need to ask is how those who ‘did it’ went against the grain and were successful. As long as<br />we have a competitive job market and we don’t have mixed schools (mixed in terms of ability,<br />parents’ background, income, ethnicity etc.), the education market will continue to have its<br />‘losers’ and ‘winners’ and the children of immigrants (even later generations, e.g. 2 nd , 3 rd<br />generations) will continue to suffer.<br />Dr Demir highlighted that educational inequalities are linked to the British economy and the<br />job market. She said: ‘The job market is getting tougher and more competitive. As the job<br />market in the UK gets more competitive, the parents of privileged children will have a leg up<br />the ladder and do everything to make sure their children end up in good schools and then in<br />good careers in later life. They will play the education market in every way they can to ensure<br />that disadvantage is not near their children, that their children do not even share the same<br />school yard with those who look poor or deprived, or with the wrong kind of accent. What’s<br />interesting is that they will present this as ‘doing the best for my child’.”<br />Dr Demir continued to say that the current education system reproduces social inequalities<br />rather than solve the problem of existing social inequalities in Britain.<br />WORK WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES<br />She said part of the solution lay in people from disadvantaged backgrounds (poor whites,<br />immigrants, ethnic minorities etc.) creating solidarities and a united front to fight against this<br />huge injustice of our times. She called on Kurds and Turks in London to align themselves with<br />migrants from other countries to do this.<br />Dr Demir said:  “There is much more in common between a Kosovar immigrant, an Afro-<br />Caribbean, and a Kurd or a disadvantaged Brit in London than we immediately realise. The<br />problems their children face in schools and later in life in Britain are similar. Parents from<br />different communities need to start talking to one another and start looking for common<br />solutions to their common problems, including making demands on British schools and<br />institutions to get rid of marketisation in schooling. They need to do these collectively and<br />through group action.”</p></div>
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